Breaking The Silence Online

@GregB65 said in #237:
> [...] - Is there any LiChess rule to suspend or ban players who have been blocked or reported several times?

This ... - I would like to know, too.

@sgtlaugh said in #281:
> it is okay to talk about anything, toxic masculinity or femininity. They both exist, but the former one is much more prevalent.
Generally speaking, this statement in itself is sexist, and it's not truthful. Fact is that here we are talking of one specific male declination of psycho-toxicity. We are not playing the "who's the meanest gender" game. People trying to shift focus to female deviances use the same rethorical expedient of tax evaders when they get caught, the "thus do they all" argument, the "all guilty no guilty" trick. We should stay focused on the problem in issue, that's a male one.

@MarkIorio said in #283:
> Generally speaking, this statement in itself is sexist, and it's not truthful.

It's not sexist at all. Care to explain how that is sexist if you believe otherwise?

> Fact is that here we are talking of one specific male declination of psycho-toxicity. We are not playing the "who's the meanest gender" game. People trying to shift focus to female deviances use the same rethorical expedient of tax evaders when they get caught, the "thus do they all" argument, the "all guilty no guilty" trick. We should stay focused on the problem in issue, that's a male one.

But I agree with the rest of your statement. That it strays from the main topic, and it should be a separate discussion if needs to be. If you read the full discussion, you'll see that I was replying to another user. I had no intention of straying from the main topic myself.

@sgtlaugh said in #280:
> Notice that they said they worry. They are not presenting it as a fact, just their opinion from experience and observations. In reality, it doesn't matter if it's significant. It still happens. Some people will be affected by it more. And it is okay to talk about it.

An opinion is what somebody believes and generalizations shouldn't be made based on worries. It does matter if it's significant (as in it happens often) because implicit generalizations have been made that it's widespread.

@sgtlaugh said in #280:
> And I don't understand why you can't see it could be a significant reason. If women face mistreatment and harassment regularly in a sport that is dominated by men already, isn't it natural for them to feel repelled? Whether it's the dominant reason for gender imbalance in chess is another discussion. It is okay for men and women or for anyone to have different likings, but that does not excuse a hostile environment.

It depends how often they experience harassment and what types are experienced. Normally yes they should be repelled but my question is how often does it actually happen and what type of harassment is being experienced.

@replaced said in #285:
> An opinion is what somebody believes and generalizations shouldn't be made based on worries. It does matter if it's significant (as in it happens often) because implicit generalizations have been made that it's widespread.

How have generalizations been made? Makes me wonder whether you've even read the blog or not. It was clearly mentioned that most of the males they encounter are rather nice, but it is a minority who engage in harassing behavior.

> It depends how often they experience harassment and what types are experienced. Normally yes they should be repelled but my question is how often does it actually happen and what type of harassment is being experienced.

Didn't the blog share some of these experiences? Some of the comments here also did that? Not sure what you are searching for.

@sgtlaugh said in #231:
> As for the majority of men, maybe it is not quite obvious. Since you don't have to face it yourself. That's understandable, it's human nature. But imagine placing yourself in the shoes of a female. If you think it's okay and no big deal when people harass you because you can simply block them, imagine how you'd feel if you had to face these situations every now and then. Because it's not just one or two. Try to feel the psychological stress and tension of anticipating the next harassment. Imagine not being able to speak or share your frustrations, fearing shame, blaming the victim, and virtue signaling.

"Try to feel the psychological stress and tension of anticipating the next harassment."

And harassment can have many faces and can be very intelligent, creative, subtile, perfide and
linked to a manipulation plan with a special goal.

Is not only like a pure, stupid attack with clear words offering sex, that can be blocked easily. A harassing person can play a very nice and charming role, can play to be a perfect contact. And he can play more roles with different profiles same time.

Then it is not clear, that harassment already has been started. It is possible, that then after months the first sexual abusive behaviour comes out the first time.

@sgtlaugh said in #286:
> How have generalizations been made? Makes me wonder whether you've even read the blog or not. It was clearly mentioned that most of the males they encounter are rather nice, but it is a minority who engage in harassing behavior.

Your post #231 on page 24 has many implicit generalizations and the icing on the cake is that in the post you also said that you're "just stating basic facts."

@sgtlaugh said in #231:
>It's just that they are asking for the basic decency that any human being deserves, something that is denied to them from time to time by a minority.

This unproven generalization implies that women in general face situations where their basic decency are denied and it's not isolated occurrences.

@sgtlaugh said in #231:
>Because it's not just one or two. Try to feel the psychological stress and tension of anticipating the next harassment.

This is an implicit generalization that states many women face harassment regularly, not as isolated incidents.

@sgtlaugh said in #231:
>It is human nature to take things for granted, so perhaps you don't even realize what they have to face constantly, everywhere because you don't have to face it yourself.

This implicit generalization suggests that many men are oblivious to the constant challenges women face. Also by using the word "constantly" it implies that it's constantly happening or in other words very often.

I could go on but there are quite a few to list (like a dozen from that post alone) and especially from the original blog post but I think you get the point especially when all of these implicit unproven generalizations are presented as "just stating basic facts."

> Didn't the blog share some of these experiences? Some of the comments here also did that? Not sure what you are searching for.

That's anecdotal and subject to confirmation bias. I can find a group of people who had the experience of getting struck by lightning but that doesn't mean that lightning striking people happens often.

@sgtlaugh said in #281:
> micro-aggressions,

Stopped reading there. Micro aggressions. LOL. It's like talking to someone in a cult.

@GregB65 said in #237:
> Is there any LiChess rule to suspend or ban players who have been blocked or reported several times?

@Sofia-Mary said in #282:
> This ... - I would like to know, too.

Yes - in addition to closing a user's account(s), Lichess can also remove their access to its services.

See the penalties listed under "Community Guideline Violations" in the Terms of Service:
lichess.org/terms-of-service#:~:text=us.-,Penalties,discretion.

> Penalties may include, but are not limited to: rate limits; removal of Patron wings; time outs; a public mark on the account as having violated our Terms; revocation of some or all communication privileges; closure of the offending account and any related accounts; having access to our website and/or services partially or entirely removed or being in a separate playing pool; and IP banning or device banning. Multiple penalties may be applied, or any mix or combination at our own discretion.

I've never met a single person in real life who speaks the way far-left people on the internet do. And I live in NYC, too. Hardly a conservative city.

And yet I've never come across anyone who speaks with all the silly buzz words, and tumblr language, and gender studies propaganda. That's why I don't think that anyone who speaks this way is genuine. Because they don't speak this way in real life.

"Oh, your toxic masculinity microgressions are spurred on by the patriarchy, you cishet white male!"

^^ That's online only. These people are FAKE. It's a performance they do online to signal that they are virtuous and holier than thou. If they did this in real life, no one would speak to them.